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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.03.26 23:40:00 -
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Old TE's, before the brain freeze was 10opt/10fall/15track, right?
Not sure the TE falloff nerf is enough .. and why penalize optimal users (read: Amarr) to an equal extent, not as if the golden hulls have mids to abuse them as seen with Gallente/Minmatar the past few years.
Or does it mean you accepted that lows are not as valuable as mids and you will now give all Amarr hulls +1 for free?  |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
550
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Posted - 2013.03.27 00:09:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Also remember these changes in first place appeared exaclty because amarr were considered completely overpowered and minmatar were considered useless!!!
So simply removign the flaloff bonus would just bring back the old unbalanced meta game.
Only partially true as projectile guns were changed as was ammo for them at the same time as the TE changes. Or do you buy into the idea that the TE overbuff was the sole reason for the past few years WInmatar fad? 
As for value of optimal vs. falloff:
Laser damage drops to zero rather abruptly once optimal is exceeded whereas falloff heavy weapons continue doing damage, albeit reduced ..
Also need to remember that falloff weapons generally have tracking that is far superior to that of optimal ditto.
Current TE's allow all short range weapons to have roughly the same projection, but base damage/tracking is significantly different. Taking optimal down the same as falloff maintains the projection thus still allowing projectiles (tracking) and blasters (damage) to almost reach laser ranges and beyond (due to the way falloff works).
But I'll test the -33% versions all the same, just not sure it is wise to hit optimal by the same amount after auto and recent blaster changes with nothing done to lasers since Trinity?, I forget.
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
551
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Posted - 2013.03.27 11:13:00 -
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Sigras wrote:TL;DR
lows are more valuable than mids because there are more combat effecting low slot modules; the TE nerf changes that.
But the lows are and can only be abused in such a manner due to having 'enough' (read: 4+) mids to begin with .. the old Rupture with only 3 mids worked with shield config but only barely regardless of lows and the SFI is arguably better with armour config using mids for eWar/Control to mitigate damage.
Your account also managed to skip nimbly over the whole eWar in mids and the benefits of shield over armour (somewhat repaired with last round) .. would you rather have a TE+extender or a TD+plate/EANM if going up against another gun boat?.
Mids might be made equal if cap consumption was increased on all mods using that rack, effect is generally higher than the few low equivalents and the rack has a monopoly on practically all eWar/Assist mods. Flying Amarr exclusively I am painfully aware of the power of mids, they just add a lot more utility than lows.
Nice try though. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
551
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Posted - 2013.03.27 23:51:00 -
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Cage Man wrote:So the plan is to make TE's less effective but nothing to change the Td'ing of npc. Seems missioning will be limited to missile and drone boats.
Already is unless you use a Mach .. Tachyon Paladin has a whopping 5-6km range most of the time in the larger Blood/Sansha rooms, it is so bad that you make better time/ISK running missions against Angels/Serpentis even though most of your damage is sucked up by resists 
@Fozzie: Are there any talks about revising rigs beyond what was done the armour tanking pass? Was thinking that another 5% on the ambit/locus rigs would go long way towards alleviating some of the concerns people have with the TE rollback revision and offer a tangible alternative to the heaps of other useful rigs. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
747
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Posted - 2013.07.28 11:58:00 -
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Naomi Knight wrote:....if these are not enough to show it i cant see else to prove anything to the biased ones
Think that when it was at its worst you had 16 Winmatar hulls on that list, with Zealot being the Amarr representative, Tengu and Drake as Caldari emissaries and Talos waving the tattered Gallente flag.
Was just the one month though and it evened out somewhat as tiericide progressed, but it matters little as CCP has their own metrics that are unfathomable to anyone not dodging geysers when commuting .. I mean they must have for such prolonged dominant fads to even exist. |
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